"Them" being carebears who want Eve to be a galactic farmville. Either it's a sandbox or it isn't.

And this scheme broke the sandbox exactly how?

Large transfers of wealth and/or manipulation of markets is common place IRL. The sky isn't falling on wallstreet and so much isk $ has been thrown in the fireplace.

I completely agree they would. Hence we kept it low key.

Another pcgamer article from the PR guy.

PCGamer

Nobody got banned. Which is entirely the point I was trying to make re: that guy who wanted to have all goons banned for what is effectively playing the market on a grand scale.

You might try actually reading the thread because a ton of examples have already been given.

The Ferrogel dupe exploit was a flaw in the code. This is a flaw in the design. Exactly like PI and Pax, which is why I used those examples.
And comparing this to the t20 incident is just ridiculous and doesn't even warrant a comment.

The best part is the various moon goo dupes back in the day went on for months before anything was done (it might have even been years, much like some of the complex bugs).

Here you go. Ignore the crackpot pubbies on the forums ranting about how it's oh so dangerous an activity, you'll die on average once a year or so and make a few Trillion with absolutely no risk due to the same crackpot pubbies blubbering to CCP every single time someone looks at them funny.

multibox

I suggest mining morons. You can get 500m per recruitment scam, easily. If you work hard at it, 100 billion isk in 2 months should be quite easy, that's only 200 marks.

Do you really think he is capable of that? He apparently can't read and has a really bad memory so I doubt even mining is going to work out for him.

do i really need to shoot down the 'only new players fall for scams' myth again

Ah, the mythical "clueless carebear". I thought it was a joke made up to scare Newbees.

No, people are always going to be dumb. And since Goons are winning the culture war, more and more want to join us every day. We're just better at this game than almost everyone else, and we easily have more fun than most. And dear god, does that **** some people off. :)

And as for our exploits -- the fact that people can get away with scamming, with infiltration, with market manipulation is literally EVE's only truly unique feature. It's literally the only reason most people play the game, in a meta concept. It sure as heck isn't due to the.... "unique"... UI or PVE mechanics.

Well that character only goes back to 2008 so it is good to know you are not posting on your main PUPPETMASTER account. You are probably busy building dreads for us. THANKS BUDDY!

That's where you don't get goons. We're not trying to destroy Eve, just _your_ game of Eve.

Also while the sky should be falling on wallstreet, it was the rug that was instead ripped out from under you.

~ Sincerely,
The one percent.

Oh I am sure right? If only I knew how critical you were/are to Goonswarm. I better show some serious respect right away!

True you've been in so many corps I had to click the button. Still though you need another year and 6 months to hit the 9 year mark. So you don't even know your own history.

Almost 100 pages, gsf overlord statement in works per pcgamer, gets popcorn.

I already stipulated that I realized that this wasn't your main. I am not "scoring points" your posts are really funny. I am hoping you will post some more details about your critical contributions to the success of Goonswarm. Should be good!

So was this when you were in the corp powerhouses "Ninjitsu Heavy Industries" or perhaps it was when you were in the famous corp "The Eiken Club" or perhaps I am confused and it was when you were in "Ninjitsu Incorporated"?

I guess I better be careful here. Not only am I messing with a puppetmaster who has saved goonswarm time and again, but also you are apparently a skilled Ninja!

This thread is full of hilarity. Never before have I seen so many goon tears..

Oh I noticed, that was the point. Perhaps you could make a new corp "MIGHTY SUPERNINJAS.DOT"

How could it be better than a cartoon about young girls with giant breasts?

Paint, you need to stop eating it.

hey Cygnet Lythanea tell me more about how you were absolutely CRUCIAL to our recent and past war efforts

You are a little behind the times, CCP already said it was not an exploit. You are also a little late if you think Goons trolling people is anything new.

lol who were these 'allies' that were so dependent on you and who were not able to build their own capitals

oh yes, Mercenary Coalition, well known Goonswarm allies

No, we get it, Big Tit ninja girls saved MC when goons screwed them over.

Posting in a thread about posts.

Well not all of us can save Mercenary Coalition while being Ninja girls with very large breasts. Some us have to settle for less I guess.

Well I am a little sad that you are quitting next week you see. I mean, someone as important and e-famous as you obviously has a big future left in this game. Perhaps you could single handedly save another alliance or two.

Not to burst your little bubble, but subscriptions are actually going up for the first time in a long while. ;)

WTF a Goon saying nice things???

*head explode*

Both of the 100page controversy threads are about goonswarm :V

Any publicity is good publicity.

http://www.reputation.com/

saw a commercial for these guys. Apparently mittens actually DOES need their services, or did when googling his name = cyberbullying cause we all know cyberbully = child molester

why would we want to go to hisec, what the hell

"Cool things happened in the sandbox", which is what this was, is good PR. "Cool things happened in the sandbox, but then players got punished for their legitimate actions" which, while the official verdict is still out (no statement from CCP yet, after all), is how many players perceive it, is not such good PR.

Wait a minute, you said a few posts back that we control CCP. Perhaps you are a bit confused.

Is English your first language? Mittani *is* a goon.

No the point is you are a gibbering idiot and you aren't making any sense at all. If you have not picked up on the fact that most people are outright laughing at you at this point you should probably seek help.

Good to know, I guess the Mittani Banning,

...and his removal from the csm...

... as well as the asset seizures ongoing currently are just figments of our imagination.

Or maybe you are just an idiot.

The real comedy here is no goons are upset at all. Only a handful are involved.

The real fun is poking idiot pond scum pubbies like yourself with a stick because you are too stupid to understand what is actually going on.

I know you've love it. <3

Well we have been playing this game a very long time, this character, as an example, longer than you. So if KalMittani wants the blood of a few more Galente infants for his bath, who am I to say no?

Most of you are addicted like dirty whores. You(not all) wish you saw trillions in your wallet. Quite commical. SO many of you forget this is a game; Yet, so funny this is not a game to you(not all). It is your life, your breath, what you wake up to and what you go to before you sleep.

You may disagree or agree. One thing is certain: You will continue to play.

When the real world puts pressures and expectations on you with respect to this world, this is your escape or at least a place to waste your time.

Where shall you go? There is no place you can run. There is no place you can hide.

Wait, so you mean we have a bad reputation in Eve? Well holy ****, we need to get on that, stat. Thanks for the heads up.

You forgot Mechwarrior online where the Goons themselves are going.

Including notable ones

http://mwomercs.com/forums/user/22079-the-mittani/

Hey the question was asked... where would they go. Theres an answer

Considering the fire hose of new players trying to join goonswarm, it is obvious that you have no clue what you are talking about. At this point, I figure you are an alt of ours out to troll dumb pubbies and I salute you as such.

Because frankly, nobody else could be this dumb.

But yeah man I wonder what Goon tears' salt would flavor your food like?

Huh. Guess it's time to finally gather the vast number of players who hate us into a giant alliance, fly up to VFK and finally drive us out of the game for good, eh?

Don't worry about wardec mechanics, we're in nullsec, you can shoot whoever you like. Concord doesn't babysit us out here. Should be a short and easy war for you.

That's VFK-IV folks, our staging system. Open and ready any time you've finally had enough of us and decide to actually handle it in-game instead of just whining and bitching to CCP on the forums to ban us for actually playing the game, but in a way you don't like.

Wait it used to be "come at be bro" via wardecs then when ppl did it gets mysteriously changed so now its come at me bro in 0.0 lol

Can someone translate this gibberish? Seriously?

Can someone translate this gibberish? Seriously?

The only thing you'll get Jade to talk about is that stupid wardec gimick, and how any day now he will finally produce the killmails of a thousand goons killed by his ~elite~ mercs.

But if Jade did profit off fw the same way the Jewbal did, then some over zealous asset confiscation is definitely in order.

No, look everyone understands the problem except you. Blame your parents. You appear genetically incapable of anything beyond counting fingers and toes.

And that he/her profit was made before seeing the leaked doc, Now- can that be proven?

welcome to eve, the ultimate Nerd Soap Opera.

No we do this based on how fat you are. You get points though for being extra flatulent. So you can't just be fat alone.

No seriously, I worry for your mental health at this point. You seem to have a really loose grasp on reality. I don't like to repeat the obvious but seriously, you are a complete idiot.

seriously? rly? like rly rly srsly?

Most of the last 20 pages isn't trolling so much as it's ****posting, really.

No really dude how fat are you? Apparently you are a mega fat monster.

That would explain why I got a few plexes in the mail the other day...

why should they "do something about goons"

how did I make them look weak?

I get it you want to cherry-pick everything that benefits your argument but the fact is that they didn't distribute ISK to anybody because, well, it's their ISK.

Well, ideally CCP would set up some queries to be run every downtime to check for abnormally high (or low) sales volumes of any items, large numbers of ship kills/losses by the same group of pilots, abnormal sudden increases in ISK, LP, items, and the like, which would be connected to a buzzer and giant red flashing light at CCP headquarters. They could then investigate and shut it down before things got out of control.

E.g.: High volumes of Guidance Systems, Pax Amarria, Faction Warfare LP, etc.

I'm not faced with any consequences, no matter how much you insist on it, because I wasn't involved in this scheme myself in any way. Are you beginning to understand?

You can basically use any article written about this thus far for toilet paper as anything contained within the articles is fantasy invented by the bloggers writing the articles.

I find it disturbing that you think you could exploit a system to print money and crash markets and we'd just be like "Oh haha those cards".

We haven't punished anyone to date. We haven't even decided if we will but boy howdy are we well within our rights to do so and I'm just astounded that I even have to explain that.

And design errors are fair game.

I say your hyperbole is offensive to actual victims of ****. This isn't 'helarious'.

That does not mean that whatever they decide to do is right, however.

Are you going to apologise?

Or not anymore apparently

What we do with individuals is never a public matter. It never was and it never will be. The public communication will focus on what's been done to the group and the overall impact. I won't deny that nobody should have been speaking to the press and that that has been managed poorly.

you really drew the short straw, didn't you?

I've never seen goons act like such giant publords before.

Ok then I'll just speak for myself and say the same thing. :)

You know, not communicating with the player base seem to have been an issue before. Indeed, a lot of what I've been seeming to hear from CCP is that more communication was needed, not less. I don't know how it looks from your end, but from where I am sitting less communication - and your basic message to everyone here (to sod off because this is between you and the individuals) - seem to be about as bad a manner in which to handle this as it possibly could be. That it was 115 pages before you decided to step in may have been a very good sign indeed that some more communication would have been a splendid idea. Would have given a lot of people, me included, far less to shitpost about.

Propaganda campaign makes it sound like we're coordinating our posts in some jabber channel. We're not.

Are we? Someone invite me to the channel, if we are.

Friend, you do realize you're addressing a Goon, right? Character has never been their strong suit.

"I'm telling you straight." - CCP Sreegs

Screwing Goons is always "what's right", even if it damages EVE.

CCP is in Goon pockets whenever CCP does something that people don't like.

CCP is the noble hero saving everyone from the evil Goons whenever CCP does somethign that people do like.

Goons are Goons either way.

Considering I play a Dark Elvess Sorceress in another PvP MMO...

Edit: proof.

I work at a Casino as a Slot Technician. I repair the slot machines that people waste away college funds on.

If they malfunction -- a CODE ERROR -- and pay out a jackpot they're not supposed to, then that's on the player. They get nothing.

If they are misconfigured -- a DESIGN ERROR -- and they pay out more over time than they are supposed to, that's on us. The player gets everything (although we shut the machine down and swap it out).

The problem here is that this whole thing revolves around a design error. And traditionally, and ethically, CCP can't really nail someone for a design error. That's on them, unfortunately.

The last time I remember this was the last time I said a few posts back. When the volume of new threads required the forums to be taken down after the open letter and T20

I am here for many years and I must admit i came very close myself of abusing something. If its not cos I asked before, I would have been banned.
If in doubt, always ask CCP is the modo!

Having your game ruined by a player is one thing. Having it ruined by the company is another. How can you not see this?

if you ask CCP first, they will either say "no" or they will say "yes" and change their mind retroactively.

alliance tournament drama demonstrated the value & reliability of GM answers quite well.

I'm sorry, Sreegs, but the precise correlation between the information you communicated in this statement, and the facts in so far as they can be determined and demonstrated by this dev blog by GM Salmon, your VP of Customer Relations, causes epistemological problems of sufficient a magnitude as to place upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.

The thread title is misleading.

And the publords will ***** at us for causing a population crisis.

This whole thing is a win win for anyone who likes good fourm rage. Either CCP is going to let this go (and the pubbies will EXPLODE), or they're not (and everyone who values the sandbox will EXPLODE). There may be a 3rd option, but I certainly ain't seeing it.

But when things happen within the given rules of play - and it's reasonable to push things to their limits (have you seen warhammer tournaments?) - you've got to let it go and move on. Wizards of the Coast didn't invalidate Skullclamp wins (it's a Magic the Gathering thing). Fancy the Famous Bard didn't have his massacre overturned on an Everquest Server, but instead had the first real game play rule established.

This would own. In a world where frigates are top dog, goons rule the universe.

****. I wish I had a job were I could **** up twice, keep my job, and be toasted for it.

Perhaps the investigation should last until the winter expansion is due. CCP could then launch the "No More Goons" expansion. It would really be the greatest release in years.

Braggs v. Linden Lab

Player discovers he can bid on land before it comes up in auction (manipulating a web page argument), gains several islands without bid fighting (timer started when he bid, expired and won before listed). LL bans, he sues (they are not cheap).

I believe they settled after a couple years, not sure of the outcome. The land was worthless by then anyway.

I'd like you to expand on this.

Yeah its called Mechwarrior Online. Wheres he proof that they are BoB?

ccp is like fox news... fair and balanced

What's htfu

I like how you lump anyone who doesn't explicitly hate goons so much they would go out of their way to hurt them in real life must be a goon or a goon crony.

CCP have been surprisingly tight lipped about the whole situation, sending out CCP SREEGS "the cooler" to keep things calm while minimizing the amount of community anger and wildfire speculation going on.

Has CCP contacted any media outlets about this story? It would make great reading and might attract more players.

I certainly hope some of you re paste the choicest quotes to Kugutsumen before they are removed / redacted by the fair minded moderators of this just city.

Yup, the only things you hear from the game are "look how much this guy ****** over these people!"

Or was it a titan every other day

Thought Goons would rule? Now youre being screwed over?

Make up your mind

I don't know if anyone else has said this, partly because the rate of growth of this thread exceeds my reading alacrity and because sifting through the tear stained posts drew on for ever, but:

It seems to me that if Aryth hadn't started it by bragging and possibly gloating about this whole horrendous affair, the entire shitstorm that is this thread could possibly have been avoided all together.

That; and the fact that CCP may or may not have seized the assets of the, for lack of a better word, perpetrators.

I may also just be tired and a bit stupid?

Have they ruled on it then?

Get out.

Only if you give their space to someone else lol They still have all their tech moons. Whats infinite money to that

Why hasnt Mittens? He's usually the first one to jump on that idea

Thought their golden rule was "we make the rules"

It's not as though anything I do will change CCP's judgement in the end, one way or another. Hard to be desperate when you can't change the outcome.

If you want tears, go find a goon "I'm quitting eve forever!!!" thread to mock.

It seems the new "golden rule" is: If an activity is profitable you should check with CCP to make sure it's not considered an exploit.

Infinite WH tracking is entirely different. I've explained repeatedly how there's a difference between faulty design (using player-influenced market values to set payouts) and faulty code (underflowing a variable so you get huge numbers).

It wasn't a trillion per hour profit though? The whole thing happened over a couple of weeks.

While the EULA may not, up until now CCP did. This is a change in the way they handled these alleged "exploits" so far, and that is in fact the whole reason for at least 130 of the existing pages in this thread (I forgot when reports of asset seizure were posted first).

I love this thread. It is adding to my do not read this persons post file. The forums are so much better now that the tinfoil hatters are crawling out of the woodwork to be placed on that list.

Thanks Goons.

From an interview CCP gave:

Link to interview please
or it's in your head.
All of the quotes I pulled
are in this thread.

If you argue that pushing the edges and combining every possible exploit it fair because "it was allowed in the game" then I HOPE, you are in for a rude awakening, and that CCP does not allow that.

The only amount of "community anger" is the Goons and their pets blowing the forums up. Your tears have been filling swimming pools, and I can assume you will only retaliate with another temper tantrum in the form of Burn Jita 2. We all know how your last little temper tantrum a bout Mittani getting a slap on the wrist went. It accomplished nothing and made a joke of your alliance... again.

You guys should really just shut your mouths and take your punishment. I am assuming that all of the crap you keep spewing out is going to make the situation worse for you than it already is.

Mittens had nothing to do with any of this.

Too bad you can't have fun in MWO.

Or Mittens could just saw screw it and burn everything.

reported for rumors~

That's hearsay and you don't know what you're talking about.

So you say.

Sounds like rumor.